Wednesday, September 14, 2011

SWSLHD and Bowral's Health - 13

Doctors divided over fairest pay model


A DEBATE in the MJA over whether doctors should be “hawking their wares among the populace for a fee” or taking a “social service” approach via a salary has divided general practice experts on the best model of pay for GPs.

Obstetrician Dr Brian Peat argued in the MJA that it would be “simple to change the current balance” in Australia by rolling back “the more outrageous subsidies” like the private health insurance rebate and the safety net, and directing the savings into more salaried positions.

AMA Victoria past president Dr Douglas Travis argued against the salaried model, saying with fee for service “as a patient, you pay for what you get, and, as a doctor, you get paid for what you do”.

University of Western Australia professor of general practice Alistair Vickery said elements of both models were valid in certain situations.

“We need a hybrid system that rewards teaching and research by salary or funded payment and we need a system of flexible packages for chronic disease,” he said.

University of Queensland senior lecturer Dr Andrew Gunn said fee for service payments distorted clinical care.

“Bad doctors who game the system cause problems whether they are paid fee for service or salary, but at least under a salary they do very little, unlike fee for service when they do a lot,” he said.

“I’m convinced self-interest underlies the affection of many doctors for fee for service payments. I’m happy to debate the point that greed makes the world go around, but at least let’s call a spade a spade.”

Menzies Centre for Health Policy director Dr Bob Wells said the episodic nature of most general practice consultations meant fee for service worked well.

MJA 2011; 195:256-57


Babyteeth
5th Sep 2011
3:13pm
The Commies come out especially after they have made a fortune through Private Billing, and then they have the hide to tell us they have enough money so we should change the system. I ran my own GP Practice, and I had to see the Patients and pay the rent. This relies on fee for service, and not on Salaries, as I payed the Salaries. .....
The system requires the Specialists giving some more of their time and stop billing extravagantly for everything you do. Hospital Specialists don't pay for too
s nor the use of the Hospital and I think VMOs should. Dr Peat, I will show you where the inefficiencies are in RPAH. ..... It is amazing that GPs have to wear this debate as well, we are the dogs of the Profession, the Specialists' kicking ball.
John Miller
5th Sep 2011
3:14pm
Yes indeed Andrew, 'tis the GP alone who is greedy and motivated by self interest, unlike psychologists, physiotherapists, dieticians, medical specialists, plumbers, newsagents, electricians etc etc. Yes, you certainly know how it is here in GP land. Oh to be a university academic eh!
ton doulos
5th Sep 2011
4:44pm
I notice when this type of debate rolls around for its place in the recycling of old ideas it is always the "Top end of town" viz specialists and academics whom pontificate upon how general practitioners ought be "managed"
Oh yes Dr Gunn payments do get distorted just look at the cost of IVF for one thing and the swingeing cost differential on many procedural services all charged by SPECIALISTS, I sense some smug richesousness of academia here.
There is only one thing to say get out of our face you are not one of us And another thing which branch of medicine was that Surgeon in from Queensland whom ran away to the USA and what speciality was the alleged heroin addict whom charged large fees to cover his addiction, so where are all the "bad " gp's lately?
John Wellness
5th Sep 2011
4:52pm
I have never understood why GPs have fought to maintain a form of payment that likens their work to sewing machinists' piecework.

In reality fee-for-service (FFS) is so close to salary it doesn't matter. The GPs "salary" under FFS is set by the parameters of their appointment booking system - there is only variation through patient non-attendance and multiple bookings. FFS does not recognise valuable GP work (like attending practice quality meetings and research) that could be included under a salary.

The incentives of a FFS system encourage overuse of a GP. The incentives of a salary system encourage underuse. Neither necessarily encourages good quality of care nor prevention. Arguably FFS is better for acute care and salary for more complex chronic disease care.

We should also note that the funding of practices is different from the payment of GPs. A practice could get a FFS yet still pay a GP a salary.

Perhaps the best model for both patients and the quality of care would be some form of capitation model to practices (adjusted for the demographic makeup of patients) with a proportion of the funding held back until standards of care were met. Initially these standards might be process oriented like immunisation or cancer screening rates but over time could become more sophisticated and include measures of blood pressure, cholesterol, weight, HbA1c, and the like. This would move care from a medical to a health focus and encourage more sophisticated chronic disease care and prevention.
thewyliekate
5th Sep 2011
6:58pm
Who decides the hourly rate? The health minister?
Dr Rod
5th Sep 2011
7:29pm
"Doctors divided over fairest pay model". The only divide is those outside of general practice making righteous decision for a specialty in which they do not work.
FFS rewards those that work hard. Salary creates lazy doctors.
FFS is an incentive to put that extra yard in. Salary penalizes those involved in harder and more expensive (to the practice) procedures and tasks. Thereby pushing those services into the lap of the (non-GP) specialist and the already burdened hospitals.
Let's not follow the path of the depressed primary care providers and dissatisfied clientele of the UK model.
Dr T
5th Sep 2011
9:08pm
Ha ha looks like the reds AKA the Health Minister and DOHA are out skirmishing again

Firstly, anyone espousing either system should declare their political ideology. I will.
I'm essentially a democratic capitalist. I DESPISE Socialism and Communism. THEY DON"T WORK. Has anyone driven a Lada recently? Been to the old Soviet Union, present North Korea or China of recent years? Honest day's pay for an honest day's work. If you want to live in a Socialist or Communist state let me know I will buy you a one-way ticket there.

Second, if you're not a PRACTISING GP, then STAY OUT OF THIS DEBATE. This means you Dr Peat. The argument is relevant only to those who will be affected. I make an obvious exception to GPs who are retired or temporarily downing tools.

A doctor told me once when I was a student that we are entitled to earn a dollar from what we do. We are doctors, but unless we are independently wealthy we need to get paid. Just because I choose to work hard DOES NOT mean that I over service.

If you want to earn a salary go work for State Health. DO NOT try and agitate for this kind of change to MY working environment and therefore MY LIFE. I will take it personally.

Capitation is the dumbest idea on the planet. Seriously. Just go ask the Poms. I hope you don't consider yourself an evidence based practitioner.

No-one in their right mind would advocate a salary for GPs when most of the bills are paid for by the Medicare Insurance scheme. (that's right Ms Roxon, Medicare and DOHA - it's an insurance scheme. You are not benevolent demigods. You would do well to remember that) The Government don't pay us what we're worth now, they're not going to change.

Outcomes based remuneration is even more absurd than capitation. The only people who would advocate this are those with absolutely no understanding or compliance. Believe it or not, not everyone takes their prescribed medication. They don't all exercise. Some still eat too much junk food, and a few even still smoke tobacco.....

Salary DOES create lazy doctors, I agree Dr Rod.

Medicare is and always has been heavily biased towards procedures. Yet time and again data point to effective primary care as the major determinant of health outcomes. Which we provide for tuppence.

I'm tired of closet Commies trying to shape policy that is going to impact on me.
Water Rat
5th Sep 2011
10:24pm
I also have often queried the fairness of the FFS method of remuneration, as it is so directly linked to face to face contact, with no recognition of all the non-face to face work we are forced to do, especially now chronic illness consumes so much more of our time. The EPC items were a small concession towards this, but prove counterproductive in terms of the time taken to 'fill the boxes', thereby detracting from the opportunity they presented to recognise this increased non face to face demand. Unless of course one uses ancillary staff to do most of the plan, which flies in the face of the intent, as who but the Dr really knows what the plan is.
Add to that the turn-off to recruitment of the total lack of a career pathway, with no recognition of seniority, experience, extra qualifications, or any quarantined time for teaching or research, and you do have to ask, "why would you do it?"
A decent salary might just be a start, so some of the above considerations could be incorporated, thus making the 'specialty of GP' more attractive all round. The content is interesting enough, but the unchanging 'sorcerer's apprentice' status is a turn-off. And I say this after some 30 years doing it, so I know of what I speak.
TIBOR
6th Sep 2011
2:53pm
The MJA review on 'How Should Gps be paid' interestingly is written by university academic department employees, with FRCGP qualifications, presumably salaried and no longer in private practice.

In the solution, it concludes that Australia has a 'current archaic system', but then further on it states, that the best evidence is a Cochrane review of 1997. A 14y old study that surely is irrelevant, with the changes that have taken place. The conclusion has no merit and seriously undermines the credibility of their review.

The point is, that Gps in Australia are Private Practitioners and unless you are advocating a government employee system, then the alternative arguments are irrelevant. It appears that they are getting confused between Medicare insurance reimbursements and the private fees charged by Gps. The fees that Gps charge depend in part to the demographics of the practice, the types of clients and competitors' charges, which may mean a gradation from total bulk billing to total private billing of all patients, irrespective of social status.

The study perhaps should have been reworded as 'How should Gps be employed, as employee Team Members' in government run Superclinics or self employed private practitioners?

Perhaps the next review should be; How should Specialist be paid, as sole hospital employees or rights to private practice with caps on fees? It would make an intriguing scenario.
ton doulos
6th Sep 2011
3:03pm
The Comments of John Wellness and Rattus Uranicus (water rat) demonstrate just how naieve they are and probably how young.They appear to be brainwashed into imaging ( yes imaging not thinking that is a logical deductive process absent in their assertions) that the value of their services are so low or usefull that someone else ought determine their reward .This is like tradesmen some work until their dying day as journeymen tradesmen others grasp the bull by the horns and become wealthy by revelling in their skill and value and become millionaires ,I know several. I will not resile from the desire to be well off and to use that wealth to help my family .I did not spend years of study to have others usurp the fruits of my intellectual property
My Name is Tom Crawford since I an critising others I wont hide behind nom de plumes
Mary
6th Sep 2011
6:29pm
It's very funny how "salary" is likened to communism. Uh.... what? It's still a market system for people to choose whether or not to work for a salary. Nobody is suggesting to "ban" general practice as a business. Stick to medicine not political science if you don't know what you're talking about.
Prog
10th Sep 2011
12:50am
In the future will all Australians have the freedom of both choice and financial ability to consult a fee-for-service medical practitioner or only the wealthier citizens who can afford the full fee ? Will the majority be herded into Medicare Local boundaries, compelled to register with one GP practice and hope that their medical care will not be rationed by fundholding bureaucrats.
SMS
12th Sep 2011
4:35pm
scrap medicare and scrap medicare levy - the market will dictate